self-help

ACoAs & CONFUSION – as Kids (Part 2c)

dmtorbi 12-step, ACoAs, al-anon, Alcoholics Anonymous, alcoholism, mental health, Psychotherapy, recovery, self growth, self-help , , , , , ,

teaching congusionWHICH WAY DO I TURN?
They’re mixing me up! (# 4)

PREVIOUS: ACoAs & Confusion (#2b)

 
🖌️ Childhood CONFUSION : PARENTAL sources (2b)

📕🖌️ Childhood CONFUSION (cont) OTHER sources
1. Being LIED to
a. about US
EXP: Sick little boy is dressed up, & some of this things put in a suitcase.
TOLD: “You’re going to a party & staying over for a while”.
REALITY: Child is taken to the hospital for procedure, dropped off & just left!

COMMON LIES parent lying
• You killed your mother (at birth)
• Your bad behavior caused your father’s drinking
• You can go play later – when all your work is done
• That therapist is bad for you / confusing you (tells you I hurt you)
• You’re a ‘bad seed’
• You’re father didn’t meant to hurt you/ he really loves you but doesn’t know how to show it….

EXP: 4 yr. child bumps her head while playing under the dining table. She’s bleeding & goes crying to her mother. Mom (also a drunk) yells at her: “You’re not really hurt!. Go to your room.”

b. about THEM
EXP: A boy’s mother spent most of 20 yrs holed up in her bedroom.
TOLD: Mom is suffering from menopause. (She was in her early 30‘s).
TRUTH: She was either drunk, sleeping it off or hung over!
It was only many years later, as a young man, he learned that menopause usually comes much later in life & doesn’t last 20 yrs!

COMMON LIES
• I’ve never said that! / I didn’t mean the way that sounded (Yes you did!)
• I’m never wrong / I’m perfect
• We’ll go to a movie / beach…..this weekend (not)
• I’ve never done anything wrong to you
• I’ll pick you up after school – but never shows up, or always very late
• I’ll come to see you at the game / in the play…. (not)

EXP: Severe alcoholic father TOLD the same story for years – that he was in WW II, on the front lines, & participated in terrible events.
TRUTH: For the whole war he was a supply clerk, & was never in combat.

EXP: Mom pushed to stay with daughter Marcia on a visit for a week in another city. Marcia kept saying “Come, but you can’t stay here”.lying mother
TOLD: “But I’m coming to see you, I’m just low on money, I won’t get in your way….”.

Marcia felt bad for mom’s ‘poverty’ but couldn’t put her up in the tiny apartment. In spite of Marcia’s explanations, mom decided to spent the last night of her trip at daughter’s place, and then announced this ‘favor’ at the last minute without asking if it was OK.  Marcia felt she could handle that much, so agreed.

TRUTH: Mom brought along a BFF, stayed in a fancy hotel for the week AND between lunch visits with Marcia, went shopping – buying many expensive clothes & shoes – & then showing them off on that last evening! Poor????

c. about OTHERS in the family
EXP: Early Saturday a.m. child looks out front window & sees dad face down on the lawn. Terrified, child rushes to wake mom, screaming “Dad’s dead, dad’s dead!” Mom reluctantly comes down to see, looks out & says: “Oh, your dad just went camping last night”. REALLY??
TRUTH: Dad was out drinking – again – & passed out before he could get in the house. Child is confused. If this is camping, where’s the tent?

EXP: Family myth – Grandpa was a traveling salesman & died tragically in a train derailment
TRUTH: He was on a train, but merchandise wasn’t the only thing he was carrying. He was with one of many ‘girlfriends’, got into a drunken fight with her husbandeath bed lied & was killed. Not a good guy, & not tragic!

EXP: Selena is an only child of 2 severely alcoholic parents – who fought like 2 wet cats for 40 yrs. Dad dies of cirrhosis. A few years later, on her deathbed, Selena’s mom tells her: “Your dad was not your biological father”, & before she’s willing to say more, mom dies.
🔹There are no other relative to get info from, so to this day Selena still doesn’t know if her mom was lying or not!

NEXT: ACoAs & Confusion (#3a)

ACoAs & CONFUSION – as Kids (Part 2b)

dmtorbi 12-step, ACoAs, al-anon, Alcoholics Anonymous, alcoholism, mental health, Psychotherapy, recovery, self growth, self-help , , , ,

confused IDWHO AM I?
what am I supposed to be?

PREVIOUS: ACoAs & Confusion (#2a)

SITE: Identity vs Role Confusion – Stage 5

QUOTE: “May the forces of evil be confused on the way to your house” ~ George Carlin

📕🖌️Childhood CONFUSION (cont.) : PARENTAL sources
1. THEIR Narcissism

• Mother to child: “Put a sweater on, I’m cold”. HUH???
• Bragging about us to others, to make themselves look good – but never complementing us directly – while constantly tearing us down to our face.
We may or may not find out what they’ve been saying behind our back, but it doesn’t help. Are they proud of me or not?? What do others really think?  (3 Types of narc parents ➡️)

• EITHER: We’re absolutely convinced one or both parents are withholding – of love, attention, information, protection, affection….. when in fact they don’t have it to give because of their own damage. The smart, intuitive part of us DOES know it- but is too painful to acknowledge, so we blame ourselves!

OR – one parent is the pillar of the community, giving to others of their time, attention, knowledge, camaraderie…. BUT at home is withholding & distant, or blatantly abusive to wife &/or kids. No one will believe you if you tell – you would be a liar or the crazy one!

OR – he or she gives our toys, clothes, gifts…. to others, without any warning or discussion (stealing from us) to be the big-shot, to make themselves feel better & seem important, be admired. They’re feeding off of others because they’re empty inside.
Confusion: My parent is a ‘good’ & beloved person, so why not to me??

2. Hypocrisy – more likely to occur in externally functioning (dysfunctional) families – but not exclusively. Kids know when adults are being dishonest, but this will cause too much cognitive dissonance, so they end up believing the lies, & then have to work very hard to validate & justify their parents’ actions & statements, just to not feel crazy.
We’re all familiar with the preacher / public servant / spiritual teacher type who publicly advocates purity, sobriety, family values…. but privately does the opposite – until they get caught! (More...)2-faced

• A favorite manipulation of many parents is “Do as I say, not as I do”. This is very confusing, since kids automatically & relentlessly copy what the adults do, as much as absorb what they’re told.

Ironically, those of us who said “I’ll never BE like them” end up either following the same patterns directly (maybe in a disguised form), OR marrying / working for someone just like them. Among many other reasons ACoAs copy them, it’s our loyalty to family, and an attempt to eliminate confusion

3. Mental & Emotional illness (especially harmful when it’s the mother).
From the very beginning of life these children are trapped with real crazinesmental illnesss – someone who never makes any sense, or is only intermittently lucid – so their first relationship is with someone who twists, manipulates, gaslights —> ”false information presented to make a victim doubt their memory, perception & sanity”

• The parent may be psychotic, or ‘just’ severely depressed, drunk / drugged, suicidal…. ending up in the hospital, probably several times, with very little or no explanation given (needed info), with the child not allowed to visit, not knowing if the parent will ever be back….

OR being forced to take care of the debilitated parent at home, along with siblings – for many, many years, subjected all the while to mental confusion & cruelty.
It’s one more way we become deeply ashamed of ourselves (being part of that weird or shameful family). We learn never to rely on or trust others, or on our own intuition & experience.
Am I a child or am I the parent? Am I evil? Am I crazy too???

Early Confusion: Having several caretakers – being sent to live with relatives, having too many sitters, shunted to many foster homes, adopted – but not told, several step-fathers…. Who are my real parents? does anyone truly love me? where do I belong?

NEXT: Confusion  #2b

ACoAs & CONFUSION – as Kids (Part 2a)

dmtorbi 12-step, ACoAs, al-anon, Alcoholics Anonymous, alcoholism, mental health, Psychotherapy, recovery, self growth, self-care, self-help

CHILDHOOD CONFUSIONI MUST BE CRAZY
I can’t decide anything!

PREVIOUS: ACoAs & CONFUSION (#1)

SITE: Erikson’s Developmental Stages

QUOTE: “Until otherwise proven wrong, assume confusion.”
From ‘Judgement on the Front Line’~ C. DeRose & N. M. Tichy

📙🖌️ OVERVIEW (Part 1)
📕🖌️ CHILDHOOD confusion
ACoAs grow up with so much distorted, incorrect or missing information that we end up feeling crazy! WE were never crazy – it was the environment. We tried our very best to make sense of what we heard & saw, but that simply was not possible. That was NOT our fault or any lack in us!

• Damaged, narcissistic & addicted parents use many defenses to keep their carefully constructed life-mobile from crashing, so they don’t have to face themselves & change. Consciously or otherwise, they figured the more they could confuse us & keep us off-balance, the less chance we’d have to call them on their crap.

Even so, there’s often one child in the family who really gets what’s going on, who can’t be conned. They’re not confused, but if they let that slip they get severely punished.
In this case you’re in a Double-bind – you=the Receiver & they=the Sender. As a kid this is at best confusing, at worst crazy making.

projectionOne tool sick parents use is Projection (NOT Projecting the worst outcome) when they or anyone else attributes negative qualities – to you – that are only their own.
It can be called emotional dyslexia (getting things backwards) – when they label or accuse you of being something they unconsciously disown or know about themselves, but refuse to admit.

Children want & NEED to understand what’s expected of them – how to behave, where the boundaries are, their chores, their place in the family & the world, how to deal with each other & outsiders….
They’re highly intuitive & focused on their environment, with great curiosity about everything, & to understand what’s going on, so they know how to act & fit in.

Ideally, clearly knowing these things allows children to act appropriately, which leads to staying connected & feeling safe, to mature & flourish, based on what the healthy adults can provide & teachildhood Qsch them.

BUT – If the messages kids receive are crazy, garbled, contradictory, incomplete…. there’s no way they can figure out:
• who they are (identity) and how to behave
• how to correctly follow the adults’ demands, expectations & rules
• why they’re being punished or neglected
• what’s right & wrong, re. their own values or those in their world
• how to interact with others in a reasonable way (can cause isolation)
• when it’s safe to let go, not worry & just have fun

Children’s perceptions aren’t as clouded by years of conditioning as adults. They’re very concrete & literal, with little emotional or verbal filtering. They tend to say exactly what they think & feel, much to the chagrin or rage of adults – until awareness of their environment is beaten & terrified out of them, who then rebels or goes into hiding.

– The ‘good’ child (Hero) will carefully go along, following the script even when it doesn’t make any sense

– The ‘problem’ child (Scapegoat – who sees thru the confusion, but only for a while) will try to cut into the distortions by throwing the ‘truth’ in everyone’s face – without success. NOT quite the same as being scapegoated.

confused man– The ‘invisible’ child (Lost C) simply hides itself, closes it’s ears & tries to escape by physically isolating & staying in its head

– The ‘cute’ child (Mascot) tries to lighten the heavy painful atmosphere by playing dumb but amusing

• So we cobbled together some kind of view of ourselves & the world out of the many forms of twisted communication we were subjected to. It’s like having to weave a tapestry with only old tattered cloth, dead flowers, prickly vines & invisible yarn – forming a nightmare design.

We ended up deeply perplexed about who we are, how things work, what’s possible…. while at the same time having only one way of being/ doing things (according to the Introject), so we don’t realize there are other options in the real world – for us.

NEXT: ACoAs & Confusion (Part 3)

ACoAs & CONFUSION (Part 1)

dmtorbi 12-step, ACoAs, al-anon, Alcoholics Anonymous, alcoholism, mental health, Psychotherapy, recovery, self growth, self-help , , , , , , ,

state of CONFUSED

IT FEELS LIKE I’M CRAZY
I just can’t get it right!

PREVIOUS: Gifted Children #4

SITE: Sometimes Confusion Is A Good Thing

📙🖌️ OVERVIEW
DEF of Confusion (Cf) – Mentally disoriented. The inability to make decisions clearly & quickly
– Cf occurs when another person’s Boundaries are vague, not easily understood, or in conflict with themselves

NOTE: These posts refer to Cf which is NOT caused by long-term severe mental illness or physical changes in the brain due to accident, aging, chemicals/ medication, drug use or illness.

Important distinction – confusion is always a cognitive (mental) NOT an emotional issue. It’s about whether or not we can think clearly, based on what’s going on in our head or how someone else is presenting information.

For ACoAs – overcoming life-long confusion is mainly about coming out of denial about our traumatic past. It includes identifying & correcting cognitive distortions (CDs) and toxic family beliefs, which lead to procrastination, self-doubt, perfectionism & self-hate!

To do that we need to know enough about ourselves AND how the world really functions – to not blindly follow what our unhealthy family taught us, or what the WIC has come to believe because of it.SCARF model

The opposite of confusion is Certainty, which is not the same as being rigid, dogmatic or opinionated.
Based on NLP, David Rock explains that there are 5 major goals of the human brain geared towards ‘maintaining’, ie. increasing positives & reducing negatives (the SCARF model): Status, Certainty, Autonomy, Relatedness & Fairness.  (MORE….)

• Executive Coach Ed Batista commented that certainty is a result of the brain’s effort to conserve energy, which comes from the limited capacity of the prefrontal cortex, the seat of executive function….

Human beings resist putting great mental effort into decision-making & impulse control because the body is preserving resources for a possible emergency in the next moment, & the same dynamic contributes to resisting uncertainty.” (CHART & info….)

Some causes of Mental / Psychological confusion
• Complex lifestyles – too much to do & not enough time, constant stress
confusion/stress• Denial – not wanting to admit & accept the way things really are (re. people, places, things), & so create a variety of defenses to mask the truth
• Dysfunctional interactions with others
• deliberately Distorted info – from media, politicians, advertising, cults, corporations …..
• Ignorance – trying to figure out something without enough or the correct info
• Grandiosity – trying to DO something without actually knowing how

• Major changes (Recovery process, new work, moving, divorce…..) without research, mentoring or other info, therefore being unprepared
• Misunderstanding & differences between countries, boss & workers, men & women, people speaking different languages….

• Overwhelming amounts of info from too many different sources (especially for Introverts)
• Transitions : those in-between times, from one inner state or outer situation to another, because we don’t know what to expect

Again, here we’re mainly concerned with the kind of confusion which comes from distorted ways people communicate with themselves or others, with words & body language, either unconsciously or deliberately.

When someone says “I feel confused”, they’re combining emotions & thoughts without expressing either one!
🔺What DO you feel – angry, happy…. ?  It sounds like they’re speaking about an emotion (I feel), but this ‘feel’ only refers to thinking . (See also “Feelings aren’t facts”).

🔑 What are you confused ABOUT?  The phrase actually means they doesn’t know what to think about something (the jumble in my head, conflicting opposite needs or desires…. ) – often because of CDs, obsessions & Toxic Rules

• Someone can also be (mentally) confused when we have several or opposite emotions re. the same situation at the same time – happy/sad, lonely/excited…
🟢 Instead of either/or, think in terms of layers, coming from different levels of desire, experience, need or maturity…..

No one taught us (info = mental) that having ➕ / ➖ emotions together is not unusual, & will come from the same or different ego states.
EXP: Parent – loving someone while being angry with them
Adult – relieved someone’s gone away / Inner Child: (yet) missing them…..

🧩 Without knowing this, it may seem like a dilemma. However, feeling many differing emotions at once doesn’t need to be confusing, which only comes from negative beliefs, or having a limited awareness of human complexity.

NEXT: ACoAs & Confusion #2

Gifted Children – Types (Part 2)

dmtorbi 12-step, ACoAs, al-anon, Alcoholics Anonymous, alcoholism, mental health, Psychotherapy, recovery, self-help

IT’S GREAT TO KNOW
the ways we’re unique

PREVIOUS: Gifted Children (Part 1)

SITEs: Intellectual Giftedness

◆ Cartoons re. Gifted kids

CATEGORIES of ‘Gifted & Talented’ (G&T)
IQ LEVELS -cOne way of identifying the G&Ts is Dr Ruf’s’ Estimates of Levels of Gifted CHART (w/ info) ⬇️, using IQs as an indicator.

All gifted children are not affected by their special abilities in the same way.
Giftedness can be identified on the differences in intellectual abilities, talents, or interests  – rather than in terms of behavior, emotions or needs.
EXP of categories : artistically gifted, creatively gifted, intellectually gifted, learning disabled gifted….

Annemarie Roeper, 1982 noted that emotions cannot be treated separately from intellectual awareness or physical development – they intertwine & influence each other. She proposed 5 types of gifted children based strictly on the ways they cope with emotions – child/adult, perfectionist, self-critic, winner-of-the-competition, & well-integrated. She focused on how the gifted experience & express feelings, & the coping styles they develop.

🤓 However, the following overall distinctions were proposed by George Betts Maureen Neihart (1988).

G&Ts by BEHAVIORAL STYLE
TYPE I: The Successful – 90%
They are the traditional understanding of gifted children: they’re good at school – academically high achiever, becoming perfectionists,  tend to be structured thinkers & usually have a high self-concept.

Generally well-adjusted goal-setters, they do well on the SAT/ACT & score high on IQ tests. After figuring out what “sells” at home & at school, these kids conform to the rules, are obedient in class, do homework without a lot of prompting, & get good grades.

They’ve learned the system – keen to earn approval from all adults, so are usually well liked & included in social groups. Being dependent on the system to function, they lack autonomy, & so are less imaginative & creative – but they can perform music or produce art projects, without showing much interest in composition or abstract thinking.
Unfortunately, these children might face jealousy from some peers from being “teacher’s pet.”

• At home = they need independence, freedom of choice, time for personal interests, & opportunity for risk-taking experiences.  However, if they’re in an ‘average’ environment, gradually some Type Is will become bored, & then use the system to get by with as little effort as possible. They’ll go through the motions & end up coasting or under-achieving in both grade school & college.

Gifted young adults who may underachieve in college & later adulthood come from this group. They haven’t acquired skills, concepts or attitudes needed for life-long learning. They’re well adjusted to society, but not well prepared for the ever-changing challenges of life.

Type II: The Challenging
Challenging & creative students are generally the opposite of the “successful” ones. Many school systems fail to identify these kids as special, even though they’re ‘divergently gifted’ (multi-talented), therefore highly creative.

They may have extraordinary creative gifts as graphic & fine artists, composers, fashion designers, photographers,  writers …. But it’s this very disposition that put them at odds with a traditional school system.

As non-conformists, & can come across as obstinate, tactless, or sarcastic – which doesn’t go over well with the adults.
Not being ‘seen’, they become rebellious – questioning authority & the system, challenging teachers in class. They’re impatient, too direct & competitive, often leading to conflict.

🗯 Frustrated because school doesn’t acknowledge their natural talents & acquired skills, they struggle with low self-esteem. This group is at risk of dropping out & getting involved in unhealthy activities, such as drugs & delinquency.

• At home = they need acceptance, understanding & advocacy from parents. Also family activities & examples of positive behavior
• Socially = some may find themselves excluded as ‘weird’, while others will earn peer approval & friendship because of their creativity & sense of humor

NOTE: Gifted children types I & VI (Successful & Autonomous) are usually easy to recognize and deal with. Their achievements cannot go unnoticed.
BUT the other four types (Challenging, Under-grounders, Double-labeled & Dropouts) require special attention. They should be recognized as early as possible, so parents can find out what’s needed to help these children thrive.

NEXT: Gifted Children Learning styles 3 & 4

Gifted Children – Types (Part 1)

dmtorbi 12-step, ACoAs, al-anon, Alcoholics Anonymous, Personal Growth, Psychotherapy, recovery, Self-esteem, self-help , , , , , , ,

WE WANT TO UNDERSTAND
our child & help her/him blossom

PREVIOUS:
 Multiple Intellig. #3e

SITEs: “Characteristics & Behaviors of the Gifted” (excellent)

• 12 Lessons about GIFTED KIDS from MATILDA

BOOK: “The Drama of the Gifted Child”~ Alice Miller (Comments)

UNIQUENESS
Parents know that their children are different from each other – but not all are aware of it consciously. We can tell this by how differently they treat each child – because of birth order, gender, inborn characteristics, & the Type most like each parent.

Healthy: In reasonably functional homes parents notice & respond appropriately of the variations in their children’s personalities. While trying to be fair & balances, they form their relationships & type of guidance based on what’s best suited to each child’s style.

Unhealthy: Damaged parents don’t even try to be fair or balanced with their various children. Instead they ONLY use those existing differences in the service of the family dis-ease & their own sick personal needs – especially the very smart & perceptive children, who are either:

a. scapegoated in order to dis-empower them because their sensitivity & intelligence is a threat to maintaining the abusive structure, & so are systematically destroyed, OR
b. their strength & cleverness is used to take care of everyone else, while the child’s needs are neglected & negated. OR both.

ACoAs: Even though we are in fact quite smart – to have figured out how to survive so much chaos & cruelty – we don’t know who we are inside. So it’s not surprising that we seem oblivious to fundamental differences in the personalities of people we meet or live with. We act as if they are all the same – but more specifically – the same as us (symbiosis).

This is the crux of our emotional & psychological blindness: Our WIC narcissistically wants everyone to be a carbon copy of ourselves, as if that would validate us & give us permission to be ourselves. It’s the only way it thinks it can be safe.

▶︎ Studying the various Styles of children & adults allows us to distinguish ourselves from others, & be better able to interact with them based on who they are.

RECOVERY: But first we need to find our who we truly are (via our inventories, plus mirroring & validation from others) to get comfortable with ourselves, so that it’s OK to see who other people are, without it threatening us. Another irony – the more we can do that the safer we actually feel!

REVIEW: As listed in many other posts – there are a number of ways to find out who we are, such as: Al-anon, Dream Interpretation, Enneagram, Journaling,  Myers-Briggs Inventory, MMPI, Multiple Intelligences,  Personality tests, Prayer & Meditation, Psychotherapy, Numerology & Astrology, 2-handed Inner Child dialogues, Trauma Release body work…..

For ACoAs – all these tools are needed in various combinations in oder to form a rounded picture of our Inner Self, since we are complex beings and because our upbringing gave us a very distorted view of ourselves.

Re. very bright children – the next 2 posts list the categories drawn from many year of observation by George Betts & Maureen Neihart (Davidson Institute for Talent Development), based on Howard Gadner’s 1983 proposed Multiple Intelligences.

Re. this List (Part 2 & 3) : As with other kinds of descriptions, a child may be a combination of 2 or more, & their Type will develop with time as they grow. Healthy parents will want to stay aware of their gifted child’s progress, to keep up with changes needed to give practical help & emotional support.

NOTE: Some Gifted Children have hidden learning disabilities that often go undiscovered, fearing ridicule & the ignorance of others. Their cleverness allows G&Ts to compensate for problems in their early years. Untreated, eventually it becomes harder & harder for them to excel, which can lead to behavior problems, depression & giving up.

NEXT: Gifted Children (Part 2)

ACoAs & LISTENING (Part 3)

dmtorbi 12-step, ACoAs, al-anon, Alcoholics Anonymous, alcoholism, coaching, mental health, Problem-Solving, Psychotherapy, recovery, self growth, self-help , , , , ,

listening to herYOU MEAN I HAVE TO
be happy for someone else?

PREVIOUS:  ACoAs & Listening (#2)

SITE: The SKILL of LISTENING  ** w/ EXP (Center for Parenting Education)

REVIEW posts : “Healthy Helping”

See ACRONYM page for abbrev.

QUOTE: “We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen”~ Epictetus 

REMINDER: Accurate & compassionate listening means we don’t try to make the other person a carbon copy of us. Even if we strongly identify, listening is about THEM – where they’re at, what they’re feeling & thinking. Don’t talk about yourself too much. You are the listen-er, they are the listen-ee.

3. (A) When someone wants you to listen to them AND it’s a practical issue (lack of funds, health or relationship problems…..) (in Part 2)

#3 VARIATION (re. actions)
(A) When someone wants you to listen to them AND asks you directly to tell them what to do
a. Naturally if you are sought out as a professional (doctor, decorator, coach, teacher, lawyer…) you’re paid to give your expert opinion & advice.
— However, for psychologists, psychotherapists…  the rules are different. The goal is more about mirroring, giving feedback (true listening), providing the client with options & helping them find what’s right for themselves.

b. For the rest of us who are not being paid, teach or heal, there are options.
• ASK if they want ‘advice’ OR information – not the same thing!

Advice is telling someone what you think they should do, be, feel, think based on yourself, not who they are! No matter how right or helpful the info is, it’s not listening.

Information is giving knowledge they may not have, including options, without an emotional valence attached. They can use it or not, as they wish We often tell people to DO things they’re already tried. Don’t waste their time or yours! Good listening is hard for ACoAs, but worth the effort!

i. When you know the listen-ee well, you probably know —
— if they already know what to do – but in this case refuse. Don’t push
— that they may know, but really do need some help implementing a solution.
Suggest someone else who is qualifies & willing, or if it doesn’t harm you, you can offer, but think twice before you do

— that they really don’t know. Then you can decide IF you want to give them info, or suggest where they can get it (on Google, from Al-Anon or AA,  some books you recommend….)

ii. If it’s someone you just met or don’t know well, start by asking some pertinent questions —
— What do they WANT from you? What are they really asking for & how much? See posts “Healthy Helping”. If you can get that far with them, the conversation may take a different turn than how it started

— What have they done about their problem / situation so far? & how have those things turned out? This saves time & energy suggesting things they’ve already covered.
• If they’ve tried a number of things which have all been disappointing, there may be absolutely nothing you can contribute. OR they didn’t try something useful because they didn’t know about it – so you can offer it

• IF their response to any suggestions is always a version of “Yes but… that won’t work / I can’t because….” then either you’re asking the wrong questions or they’re playing the “Yes, But” game from Games People Play, by Eric Berne.

In the latter case they don’t actually want an answer, they want to be parented AND be contrary, which is a child’s way of saying “You can’t control me.” It may be a version of “Come here-Go away“(posts).

With such a person, only try 2-3 times, then shut up. 😑

NEXT: What just Happened? – #1

ACoAs & LISTENING (Part 2)

dmtorbi ACoAs, al-anon, alcoholism, coaching, mental health, Problem-Solving, Psychotherapy, recovery, self growth, self-help , , , , , ,

Screen Shot 2016-06-19 at 5.12.58 AMI FEEL SO POWERLESS
if I don’t DO something to help!

PREVIOUS: ACoAs & Listening (#1)

POSTS: Anxiety & T.E.A

Turkish proverb: “If Speaking is Silver, then LISTENING is GOLD”


LISTENING ‘situations’ (cont)
1. (E) When someone wants you to listen to them AND….

2. (E) When someone wants you to listen to them AND they’re expressing intense emotions (sadness, anger, fear…) 

BUT their emotional state sounds ‘crazy, irrational, ‘out of proportion’ to the current situation, remember: “If it’s Hysterical, it’s Historical”. It usually means their WIC is in the foreground, who is expressing intense old pain – accumulated from childhood trauma.

It’s not your job to parent them & you’re not their therapist. Here too – trying to make them feel better can be heard by them as denying their experience!
CAVEAT:  If you’re listening to someone deep into the emotion of self-hate, there’s very little you can do to make a difference in that moment.

DO NOT try to talk someone out of Self-Hate. It’s futile. Their WIC has completely regressed into a familiar childhood state & locked in for the time being.
Because S-H is about denying the pain of abandonment & trying to avoid feeling vulnerable, while having a little control over their sense of hopelessness (S-H gives a false sense of power) – they’re not going to come out of it right away.

OPTIONS
◆ You could say: “Wow,_____, I hear that you’re really beating yourself up mercilessly. Why is that?”
◆ You can also ask: “What’s happened recently that hurt you or disappointed you so much?”
If you think they’ll understand, you can gently suggest they’re feeling some deep childhood abandonment
◆ If appropriate, you could add your own reaction: “Your self-hate is really painful for me to hear. It’s like watching someone I care about cut themselves or shoot heroin!”
Yes, that’s how devastating S-H is!
💝   💘   💔
3. (A) When someone wants you to listen to them AND it’s a practical issue (lack of funds, health or relationship problems…..)

AND you insist on offering a way for them to solve their problem (actions)
you’ve actually failed them, strange as it may seem, because…..
….. when you do for them what they can AND need to do for themselves, you contribute to their sense of inadequacy & fear of taking appropriate risks.
And they can do things for themselves. As adults, they’re not helpless. Maybe discouraged & faltering, but not helpless. Maybe all they need is information – but it has to be something they can apply for themselves.
(Review posts: “Rescuing – False helping” and “Healthy Helping“)

HARMFUL
• ACoAs would rather do for others that themselves. It’s our training & a great distraction from taking care of ourselves- which we don’t want to do.Screen Shot 2016-06-19 at 5.18.42 AM

• IRONY: we use a great deal of intelligence, creativity, money, time – even wisdom – on someone else, BUT genuinely believe we don’t know how to handle our own problems! How is that possible, when we just used all those skills for others?

• REALITY: We use up a lot of energy trying to save someone else, while silently expecting, even demanding, that someone else do the same for us! WE too want to be taken care of, even though we too have the ability to care for ourselves.

HELPFUL
• Rule #1, again – zip the lip!
• Often people just need a non-judgmental sounding board – to hear themselves think.  By running it past a good listener, they can hear the problem for what it is, maybe even find their own answersScreen Shot 2016-06-19 at 5.14.43 AM

• You can ASK if they need practical suggestions, but only give it IF….
…. they say yes & they seem willing to do for themselves (not just trying to be taken care of, or need to be oppositional)
…. you actually know, maybe from experience, what you’re talking about
• You need to CHECK what they….
…. want to do, in the near future
…. have already done, but for some reason didn’t work or didn’t help!

NEXT: ACoAs & Listening (Part 3)

ACoAs & LISTENING (Part 1)

dmtorbi 12-step, ACoAs, al-anon, Alcoholics Anonymous, alcoholism, coaching, mental health, Problem-Solving, Psychotherapy, recovery, self growth, self-help , , , , , ,

 I’M GOOD A LISTENER, BUT….
… I have to make them feel better!

PREVIOUS: Healthy Opposites #3

POSTS: How ACoAs Abandon Others


LISTENING can be passive or active, but basically – the less said the better!
Wanting to be listened to is not always asked for directly. When someone starts talking & then keeps going & going – they want to be heard.

• The following 3 examples cover T.E.A. In each case, if the WIC or PP are the ones listening, then what we think are ‘helping’ responses will actually be our own narcissism – the compulsion to tell them what WE would do or say – but is actually NOT about the other person & so not useful. Don’t get in the way of someone else’s process!

LISTENING ‘situations’ 

1. (E) When someone wants you to listen to them, AND they’re having intense emotions (sadness, anger, fear…),

🔓AND you tell them they shouldn’t feel that way – “Don’t be upset”
💚OR automatically tell them how to fix their problem – “You can….”

👣👣 then you’re trampling on their right to feel & express their emotions without interference.
EXP: After my fire, when I told people how sad I was that both my cats were killed by the smoke, some people said: “Well then get new cats”!

HARMFUL
ACoAs who react from their WIC to another person’s emotional expression will over-identify with their distress. Since we didn’t get the support as kids that we needed, we project that on to others, & decide (usually unawares) that we’ll never be like our parents – to leave someone in the lurch. We compulsively have to ‘help’.

PROBLEM with this WIC-logic (T)
When we were originally abandoned, we were very young! But the people we’re usually trying to rescue to now are adults who have many resources & capacities no child can possibly have. So they don’t need us the way we needed someone to soothe us when we were in pain as kids. (See posts: “Rescuing – False helping” and “Healthy Helping“)
ALSO, we’re not their parent, no matter how immaturely they may act!

🖤 Negating a person’s emotions or trying to make them ‘feel better’ wastes everyone’s time because,
• the listen-ee may just shut down & not be able to continue, OR
• they’ll waste a lot of energy convincing you how & why they feel that way
HELPFUL
Rule #1 : YES, zip the lip!
OR if you can’t :  ASK them what they’re feeling – emotionally.
Don’t settle for HEAD answers. Ask what they’re feeling emotionally vs. what are they’re thinking. Anything more than one word (E) is a thought (T). (“Feelings Aren’t Facts”)

If they’re not sure, maybe you can help them identify the words, such as fear, self-hate, frustration OR excitement, joy, love… If you also aren’t clear about what they may be experiencing, be quiet.

• If you’re in the ‘mood’ to respond to their comments, always start by validating whatever emotions they can verbalize. It doesn’t mean that you identify with the feelings or the situation, nor is that necessary. You can say brief, comforting things like:

“Wow, that’s tough, I know what you mean, Sorry to hear that, I’ve been there too….”
Screen Shot 2016-06-19 at 5.06.00 AM“Sound like you’re in a lot of pain, That must really make you angry. Ouch!”.

But, DO NOT assume you’re sure you know how someone feels. If they disagree with your opinion, drop it.

A POSSIBILITY – with their permission
If you know them well, have experienced something similar AND you feel like it – you could help them figure out what’s behind their big emotions: old beliefs, the WIC over-reacting, family patters, current similarity to childhood experiences….
Then if they’re willing & able to go deep, the solution to their problem may be obvious to them without any more help from you.

NEXT: ACoAs & Listening (Part 2)

“ACTIONS – Healthy OPPOSITES” (Part 3)

dmtorbi 12-step, ACoAs, al-anon, Alcoholics Anonymous, alcoholism, coaching, mental health, Problem-Solving, Psychotherapy, recovery, self growth, self-help , , , ,

2 ways I HAVE TO DO IT ALL DIFFERENTLY –
it’s such a big job but I’m not giving up!

PREVIOUS: Healthy Opposites -#2

See Acronyms Page for abbrevs.

SITES: Healthy Helping  // Healthy Boundaries  // Recovery – Is
My Rights  // ACoAs & Healthy Rules

“REVERSING self-defeating Behavior IMPROVES our Life” (cont)
A. UNHEALTHY Patterns

B. UNHEALTHY Opposites (cont.)
• Recovery is about moving from being unhealthy (#1) to gradually becoming healthier (>>>#2), from doing self-harming things to becoming more self-caring. All wounded people start out on the far Left side of this chart, taking mostly unhealthy actions. Unfortunately it’s where many ACoAs stay – although we don’t have to

healthy oppositesThere’s a saying in AA: “Alcoholics dig themselves into a rut, & then they decorate it”! —- instead of climbing out.
Since many of us were raised by alcoholics we learned to do the same, & find it very hard to outgrow.
It’s also true if our parents were some other kind of narcissist, abuser, depressive…. no matter what their drug-of-choice – food, money, exercise, relationships, workaholism, rage, religion….)

• Naturally, if we don’t know what Healthy Opposites are we can’t work towards them.  So we settle for Unhealthy opposites without even realizing what we’re doing.  Because they don’t work either, we go back to our original coping style, caught in a vicious cycle between the extremes of the Left end ⬆️, never making it over to the RIGHT side!

Some Negative Opposites (a –> b –> a….)
• Feeling hurt
Too Little: backing down, suffering in silence (& rage), being a victim…
Too Much: rude, hostile, insulting, giving the cold shoulder….

• Disappointing “relationships”
Too Little: isolating, depressed, not saying how we feel or what we need, ignoring our needs, waiting to be taken care of…
Too Much: clinging, chasing, verbally attacking, demanding….

• Work Stress
Too Little: being late, going on strike, not finishing projects, making lots of mistakes, taking too much time off….
Too Much: trying to please the boss, doing everything immediately, staying late, worrying about getting fired…..

• In the Home
Too Little: being lazy, sloppy, careless, dirty
Too Much: compulsively cleaning, obsessively putting things in ‘order’, not wanting anything moved….
More Examples:
• FROM clinging to bad relationships, family, jobs… TO isolating ourselves to the point of emotional starvation

• FROM not being able to get out of bed, totally goofing off, not using our talents …. TO running around like a headless chicken, taking on too many projects, becoming a workaholic

• FROM being so poor we end up living Ion the street or with drunks & crazies, TO overspending every cent we have as a way to sooth ourselves
• FROM physically being undernourished TO stuffing oneself, especially on unhealthy food & drink
• FROM promiscuity TO total sexual / sensual deprivation
• FROM living in daydreams TO being hard-nosed & controlling – and back again….

C. HEALTHY Opposites
Moving forward in life includes taking healthy productive actions, although doing things is not the only aspect, & sometimes taking no action is wiser & more effective.  In terms of T.E.A., all our actions are motivated BY our thoughts & emotions, whether healthy or not, whether we admit this or not.

So, what can we do?
• In order to make desired changes we need correct info. Like any new language, we have to learn the vocabulary, grammar, syntax & rhythm of healthy actions. Actions that lead to any type of success are usually the exact ‘Positive-Opposite’ of our life-long patterns.

Yes, we’ve tried to do things differently, but to no avail because we’ve been doing the ‘Negative-Opposite’, with great effort & sincerity, but always ending in disappointment or failure

• We know it’s hard to change. ACoAs hate change! It triggers the WIC’s lack of safety from our dangerous childhood.  Taking positive actions can temporarily make us feel crazy, in danger & we can temporarily regress to immature behaviors – as if we haven’t grown at all!

Recovery asks us to let go of old ways of thinking & doing – which seems very threatening – but ends us actually healing us!

NEXT: Reader request